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The Kantor & the WarDancers Incident
It is noon on Ozymandiut the 6th, the month of Celebration, in the year 2413.
TFC started up at Mon May 29 09:20:44 2000 / The system time is Fri Jun 2 13:39:05 2000
note list
[ 0] Myronides: Old Logs!
[ 1] Stouthbound: Zedar
[ 2] Grismal: Corpses
[ 3] Tyreth: Re: invis self only idea
[ 4] Tokugawa: Re: Zedar and his corpse collection
[ 5] Craige: Corpses, Bags, and all that fun stuff
[ 6] Calh: bags
[ 7] Craige: Calh....heh
[ 8] Boromir: Megasars' title
[ 9] Solanthas: Slaying of so called Neutrals
[ 10] Zedar: Apoligy
[ 11] Shadar: Nyx
[ 12] Warlord: WarDancers in general
[ 13] Shadar: Rath's OM idea.
[ 14] Cecil: Wardancers
[ 15] Kantor: Recent actions of Berrin and Malin.
[ 16] Berrin: Kantor's corpse looting of Alexis
[ 17] Cordir: Bag Purchase
[ 18] Whitehawk: Neutrality
[ 19] Zedar: Re:
[ 20] Terny: Oversights? Probably more I missed, too ;)
[ 21] Vorax: My two cents worth
[ 22] Myronides: Through the Eyes of a Blue Aura
[ 23] Duvel: Different Eyes of a Blue Aura
[ 24] Nicademus: RE: Duvel's note
[ 25] Warlord: Now that everyone's turning on everyone
[ 26] Mordon: good, not so good, and the rest
[ 27] Phantasm: you all make me sick
[ 28] Tynian: Reminder: idea list
[ 29] Nicademus: Response
[ 30] Russia: About Me and WarDs
[ 31] Hornblower: RE: Kantor's and Berrin's note
[ 1] Stouthbound: Zedar
Tue May 30 16:42:59 2000
To: all
I'm glad you brought this up in your idiotic idea.
Do any of you out there know how EASY it is to avoid being PKd?
This isnt directed to you Zedar, as you obviously dont. Here, I'll tell you:
Pay a-freakin-tention to what's going on. If someone walks into the room with you,
or starts to attack you, get out of there. Flee and outrun them, teleport away,
portal away, whatever. It's VERY simple to avoid being Killed, even when
someone who swings 100 attacks you.
note read 2
[ 2] Grismal: Corpses
Wed May 31 04:04:41 2000
To: all Zedar
If you'd like to start this war Zedar, I'll be sure to help you. If this continues
you may find there to be a price for your corpse.
If you continue to make such broad, sweeping statements that happen to include me
and other innocents, I shall have to take retribution.
You have been warned.
note read 3
[ 3] Tyreth: Re: invis self only idea
Wed May 31 06:26:22 2000
To: all
Now let's not get hasty here. that's how it was in the
stock diku/merc code and there was a reason it was taken
out..it sucked.
note read 4
not[ 4] Tokugawa: Re: Zedar and his corpse collection
Wed May 31 08:40:42 2000
To: all
Please disregard Zedar's note, this is not acceptable behaivor from a follower of mine.
I will deal with him next time I see him.
Thanks,
-Tokugawa
note read 5
[ 5] Craige: Corpses, Bags, and all that fun stuff
Wed May 31 10:13:19 2000
To: all
Seeing as how wardancer bags have suddenly gotten so popular I figured I might as well sell some
First and foremost, a bag of Izzy, the first wardancer
Second, a bag of Malin, the pirate-druid thing
Third, a bag of Mael, the all-annoying
Fourth, a bag of Bliss, the late Mrs. stormreaver
And last but not least, a bag of grismal, the big bag wolf himself
(as a side dish I also got a bag of gunner for anyone who is interested)
Contact me if interested
Bags are going fast
Craige the Destroyer, Grand Sentinel of the Conclave
note read 6
[ 6] Calh: bags
Wed May 31 11:49:01 2000
To: all
Lord knows how many bags of your hide there are craige
Note read 7
[ 7] Craige: Calh....heh
Wed May 31 13:15:42 2000
To: all
If I am not mistaken I locate corpses of you daily in the museum
Funny that you find yourself in position to talk
[ 8] Boromir: Megasars' title
Wed May 31 19:53:36 2000
To: all
FRAUD ALERT FRAUD ALERT FRAUD ALERT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
MEGASAR is NOT a follower of Cordir
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
FRAUD ALERT FRAUD ALERT FRAUD ALERT
note read 9
note [ 9] Solanthas: Slaying of so called Neutrals
Thu Jun 1 04:30:50 2000
To: all
Ok, Im writing this note to clarify some things about neutrals killed by my people.
Never have my people slain a neutral without cause to do so.
If you claim you are neutral, then act like it.
I see no neutrality in aiding evils in PKs with spells,
aiding evils looting WarDancer corpses, aiding evils getting into a zone
to retrieve WarDancer corpses etc etc.
In short, don't play with fire and whine when you get burnt.
As for poor Zedars pathetic little note, I hope your god is proud of your neutral ways.
I dont call them very neutral tho, so how about this?
All WarDs are free to hunt and bag you from now on.
In fact I will throw in a nice reward for the one that brings me your corpse.
Solanthas Goldleaf
Note read 10
[ 10] Zedar: Apoligy
Thu Jun 1 05:05:26 2000
To: all
Im sorry, the note was written in haste and didnt convay my full meaning.
I consider the ordained of a following like a representitive, and i will now change my view on them.
My beef is with berrin and few other blue people.
I have known many good war Dancers and never ment for them to be especially killed.
But please dont attack how neutral i act, i aid everyone who needs help, but i never directly interfere between blue red wars.
I will only retrieve somones own corpse or if a member of that persons following asks for aid with the corpse.
But again, i apolagize on my haste, i was angry with berrin and anothers actions an again hunting and killing a purple for now good reason.
Asking for help and then portaling somone to a locatione where they cant get away and murder them isnt a good act.
But agian i apoligize for my haste in judging a whole following based on ones repeted actions.
note read 11
[ 11] Shadar: Nyx
Thu Jun 1 09:27:02 2000
To: cordir
Greetings,
I would like to extend a thanks to both you and your follower Nyx.
He has helped me on many separate occasions, and always shown me the
utmost courtesy. I appreciate all that he's done for me, especially
after my first player death today. Thanks to you, and him. *bow*
Shadar, Thief of the Hand.
note read 12
[ 12] Warlord: WarDancers in general
Thu Jun 1 10:10:01 2000
To: all
WarDancers are just as evil as the rest of us. They just happen to be hiding
behind a blue aura.
note read 13
[ 13] Shadar: Rath's OM idea.
Thu Jun 1 12:07:04 2000
To: all
Greetings,
I agree with Rath's ideas, they sound good. Like, focus they
could have phys or magic hit harder, but lose power in the other.
And the info2-ish idea is always good. *grin* I like it.
Shadar, Thief of the Hand.
note read 14
[ 14] Cecil: Wardancers
Thu Jun 1 16:24:05 2000
To: all
I do not condone the actions of the Wardancers in any way
Yet I do not believe they can be seen as "evil"
It seems most of you have a problem defining what evil really is
How dare you see yourselves in position to judge them on their interpretations o
f what is right, what is good, and what is evil
note read 15
[ 15] Kantor: Recent actions of Berrin and Malin.
Thu Jun 1 16:41:26 2000
To: all
Well, it seems I'm going to have to post a note regarding recent Wardancer actions after all.
I wasn't going to post a note, even one just plainly stating the facts, as some people wrongly
call this "whining". However, when even Solanthas doesn't seem to have the full story, it looks like
I have to let people know the facts.
Basically, Alexis died in the shrine of neutrality, a neutral-only zone whose entrance is in the chapel
inside the Midgaard graveyard. 10 minutes later Marco, Rath and Tylorn are in the chapel, holding the only
key to it, thus effectively blocking anyone else from entering the shrine of neutrality.
Obviously, they all being evil, they too could not enter. However I cut a deal with them,
the best I could reach at that point. I wanted to get Alexis' stuff back to her, and
proposed this to the 3 warrics. Eventually we agreed to split her corpse between us, so I could return at least
half her equipment and gold. Much later, Rath and I recover the corpse and return to the guild.
As agreed, I get 21k/42k and a lot of her items (all but 4 or 5).
Someone who knows Alexis was able to get her to come online and I tell her everything (she had
quit after dying) and return her 21k, all the items I had gotten AND give her some items I had spare
to help make up for what she had lost.
Alexis is overjoyed, and tells me "if you ever need help with anything, just ask" and "I will never forget this".
With Alexis happy and knowing that I had to cut a deal to get inside, I was content
that I would hear no more on the subject. She would after all tell the others and
i presumed I had improved the (sometimes tenuous) relations between our followings.
However, much to my horror, the Wardancers decided I had HARMED and not HELPED their
following with my actions. I explained to Myronides (who attacked me in my hometown) and thought once
again that this would be resolved. I also posted a note to Alexis asking her to explain and left it at that.
Then 2 days later, Malin asks me out of the blue to help him with a mob. He wants me to dispel it, and offers to pay me 5k. Naturally (for those who know me
will realise that I freely give my time and help to all) I agree to help and decline his offer of cash. He tries to give me the money anyway, but I return it
Before I leave the guild to join him, I ask him not to attack me over the Alexis CR thing, like
his fellow followers had recently. When I arrive in the room with him he says, 'See I didn't attack you.' So now I feel safe and group up.
Malin runs off to where Berrin (invisible to me) was waiting and suddenly groups him as well.
Berrin then portals us to the Summoning Chamber in the Dark Manor, where they proceed to ungroup me and kill me.
This is a noexit room, locked, silenced, which is norecall and noteleport. I had no choice but to wait and die. Then Malin tells me, 'Don't mess with my sister-in-law.' (Alexis). I have talked to Alexis
who says she has not been able to talk with Solanthas, and says she is very sorry
for the whole "situation". I and many others have tried to reason with Berrin.
It is worth noting that I received not one item back from my corpse, not even the most dear:
my ant sting, 1h piercer av8 +5 +6 AG AE, which they cannot even use.
I'm not going to mention the rest of my hard earned equipment...
However, nothing has been done about what is blatantly an unfair, and unjustifiable attack on somone
who did his best to HELP Alexis (ask her) and HELP the Wardancers in this (and every) situation.
Please, read these facts and come to your own conclusion. If you like, please do ask
Alexis about any of this, and I'm sure she will confirm it.
This is the truth, and I swear it.
Kantor, Life's Blood.
note read 16
[ 16] Berrin: Kantor's corpse looting of Alexis
Thu Jun 1 17:59:58 2000
To: all
I was going to write a whole long note but decided to just sum this up in a few words.
There is no door between mg and the neutral shrine that can not be passed or picked.
thus he didnt need them to get in..._THEY_NEEDED_him.
Kantor himself says "i cut a deal with them'....he sealed his fate.
Giving items to both good and evil from Alexis corpse is not being neutral.
Its being stupid. Anybody else have any doubts how this following will react
to anyone aiding evils against us?
Berrin, Ordain of the WarDancers
note read 17
note re[ 17] Cordir: Bag Purchase
Thu Jun 1 21:22:45 2000
To: Craige
I am interested in the bag of bliss hide. She and I have
never been close, and it would give me pleasure to have that
bag. Let me know what you are seeking as payment.
Cordir.
(Note: This was a deliberate attempt to get the bag and destroy it, on behalf of Bliss and Abender. The bag was obtained, and subsequently destroyed so that bags of Bliss wouldn't be floating about.)
note read 18
[ 18] Whitehawk: Neutrality
Fri Jun 2 00:21:23 2000
To: all
Neutrals = A walking rack of EQ, that needs the most pathetic escuses to beat on
.
note read 19
[ 19] Zedar: Re:
Fri Jun 2 01:27:29 2000
To: all
Berrin, you might be right about those doors being pickable, but dont you think
those 3 clavers could stop somone themselves?
They are the unpickable door in Kantors situation if you ask me.
He negotiated with evils on your behalf, i doubt any blue person would have lived if they went to negotiate.
Your note proves how you will make up any flimsy excuse to get some easy eq.
I allso want to know where Ward Stands, they havnt said anything oficialy, thye
just kill somone and make up any excuse for there actions.
IF it was stated publicly that having ever asociated with somone evil in yor life makes you marked for death we would then expect this behavoir.
At least Conclave or arcane or any other evils at least let you know how they feel about you.
I dont mind being used by evil people to further themselves, it makes it so i live through the day.
I Dont mind helping any good person who comes to me in need of aid.
I dont trun down any help, but i wont help if its in a fight between you too.
And this is the way most neutral people act, so i want to know how this is aiding evil against you?
I just want to know what ward believes, unless its some secret that only ward know.
note read 20
[ 20] Terny: Oversights? Probably more I missed, too ;)
Fri Jun 2 03:26:30 2000
To: all
You missed one point Zedar, that being Kantor, and Tylorn, Rath and Marco are all Nashite, so the clavers weren't Kantor's problem.
I think Berrin also overlooked something; that the shrine of neutrality is by all reports a place a character only slightly bigger than I am would _not_
care to enter alone, regardless of whether the doors can be picked or passed.
Terny, Guide of Unity, just trying to keep perspective ;)
note read 21
[ 21] Vorax: My two cents worth
Fri Jun 2 04:09:08 2000
To: all
I'd just like to add my 2 cents worth on the matter...
Thank you for your time.
Vorax the Ogre
note read 22
[ 22] Myronides: Through the Eyes of a Blue Aura
Fri Jun 2 04:43:17 2000
To: all
You aid an evil scourge upon the mud gain strength, you aid them through
spells and sword arm. You help them secrue items of power
to extend their evil hand across the throats of the goodly and
their allies. No matter what the aura or race of such people
can there be but one judgement upon those who would help
those who would oppress, dominate, rape and torture all manner
of beings? Let the guilty step forth and recieve judgement.
Myronides
note read 23
[ 23] Duvel: Different Eyes of a Blue Aura
Fri Jun 2 06:24:22 2000
To: all
You have not harmed me. You do not threaten me. You have not slain
my kith or kin. Why then, should we quarrel? Why spill innocent
blood, when the peace between us has not been disturbed?
No, fear not for your safety, and do not withhold your trust.
We aren't all caped avengers, pursuing indiscriminately
those whom we believe, on however flimsy evidence of aura or
association or rumour or circumstance, to mean us harm.
May peace and unity triumph over the maddening violence we see
even in those to whom we would entrust our lives.
Duvel, Winged Warlock of Unity
note read 24
[ 24] Nicademus: RE: Duvel's note
Fri Jun 2 06:42:30 2000
To: all
Duvel Says:
> You have not harmed me. You do not threaten me. You have not slain
> my kith or kin. Why then, should we quarrel? Why spill innocent
> blood, when the peace between us has not been disturbed?
I do not wish to comment on the Alexis incident,
as I prefer to not get involved in matters I am
about wich I am poorly informed. However I
feel compelled to reply to Duvel's conception of "good" or Blue.
Duvel's conception of good seems more like neutrality...you don't
bother me and therefore I will not bother you. In my opinion,
this is one of the major problems with the Blue aura today.
Being good, means you look after yourself and your own...but others
are of no concern to you. Fighting for what is right
and good cannot extend only to the boundries of your following
and not further. Goods must protect all those too weak
or unable to defend themselves. When you fight for "good"
you fight for the realm, not simply your own select following.
An attack on an innocent should offend all those of Blue
aura and demand response. Should the innocent be good, neutral, UA
or in some cases "red" a Blue should be repulsed. I cannot
understand any conception of Blue that turns a blind eye
to all harms commited against others who happen not to follow
thier god.
I hope I misunderstood Duvel's point I truly do. Unfortunatly
actions speak louder that words and from what I have seen
most people could care less about anyone but themselves.
Nicademus: Lord of the Winds
Note read 25
[ 25] Warlord: Now that everyone's turning on everyone
Fri Jun 2 07:29:41 2000
To: all
Let's have a rumble between the blue auras to destroy each other.
Note read 26
[ 26] Mordon: good, not so good, and the rest
Fri Jun 2 09:08:03 2000
To: all
I think the mud has been spoiled
Goods.. I think , they have been lax in the past
not in attacking evils, but bringing neutrals into the conflict
what are goods, do they not try to stamp out evil
stand for justice and freedom and virtue?
Should they not right the wrongs, punish all those who are wicked
Neutrals, are not evil
I personally believe goods have no right to decide how neutral we really are, li
ke solanthas was doing in his note
But as I thought about it, that doesnt really matter
Neutrals will do what they will, I happen to help whoever I see fit that isnt on
my gods list of .."bad people"
Goods should see us as a threat in some ways, because we do not care about their
war with the evil, and have no side of our own
I personally dont cast on anybody if I see a fight between good and evil
but that doesnt matter now......
goods attack, and most of the time kil, those neutrals who they consider threats
to their way of life
I can understand their determination
neutrals, we should deal with it.. just like the other alignments
sigh, I have to leave so this note will remain unfinished,, but hopefully you ge
t the drift of what I"m trying to say
or I'm just babbeling like veryone else :)
Mordon
note read 27
[ 27] Phantasm: you all make me sick
Fri Jun 2 10:25:09 2000
To: all
You heard me SICK!!! You are all so incredably self ritious that you must turn goods to evils.
WarD is the last following I would call good. They are really demented, what with them not
even contacting, or appologising to a ua that was attacked by thier spawn. I'm just glad that
I didn't get a just off of that. In this I'm digging up the past, but I can see they haven't
changed in the least. These past few notes involve something with goods and neutrals, I don't
know the specifics but I don't care. The goods are supposed to be good, not attack all pseudo-
threats. Who the should attack are those acting evil, and endangering the rule of good.
If you don't think goods rule here just look at the wizlist, there are 3 times as many good
FLIs as evil. I personally don't care if you goods hate each other, just take it off the
notes and kill each other. Have your god change alignment to what really fits. I would love
if you would kill each other off, that makes it easier for who ever wins the evil civil war.
We are killing each other, and we'ld love if you'ld too, we just never imagined it. I remember
when Flying Tigers were the most respectable following here, it was a battle between them and
the Black Conclave, but now, I spit on your smoldering remains. The Conclave has won as far as
I'm conserned it's up to us Arcanes and we will wipe out the disgraceful WarD next.
YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!
Phantasm, Shadow of the Arcanes.
note read 28
[ 28] Tynian: Reminder: idea list
Fri Jun 2 12:24:17 2000
To: all
The idea list is not for commentary or talking about other posted ideas.
If you must comment on a posted idea, you may post a note.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Tynian.
note read 29
[ 29] Nicademus: Response
Fri Jun 2 12:56:41 2000
To: All
My note had nothing to do with the wardancer situation at all,
like I said in the body of the note if you can read.
My note was only in response to Duvel's comment about
Only looking after your own following. I really
hope that you note was not in reference to mine Phantasm.
Like I said in my note Phatasm, Goods should attack those who
commit acts of evil. I do not know or care about
the situation with Ward and a Neutral since I know little about it.
The jist of my note was that you should help everyone, not just
yourself and your following.
Why don't you read the rules of a following before grouping
all Blues together. You are more compelling when you have
an idea of what you are talking about.
Nicademus
[ 30] Russia: About Me and WarDs
Fri Jun 2 13:16:26 2000
To: All
Greetings All!
I am closed for Malin, Berrin, Plane, Abender, Maimer and some others WardS. Til
l i will find a peace in my heart!
Thats all. I just have to say now 'Welcome always" to others!
Russia,
The White Queen of Life! *Helper*
note read 31
[ 31] Hornblower: RE: Kantor's and Berrin's note
Fri Jun 2 13:26:53 2000
To: all
Berrin, I have a serious question for you. Would you have rather left Alexis's corpse where it is
and not have ANY of her equipment returned?
As for what neutrality is, obviously your view is different than many others.
Is your definition of neutrality to never help evils and only goods, to not treat evil and good the same?
From what I read from Kantor's note, he helped both sides.
That would put him in the middle or not? Meaning he kept neutral and helped both sides.
What I am asking is serious and not ment to be sarcastic. I, personally, am very confused on the exact
mentality of the WarDancers and what their definition of neutrality is. If that could be explained
to us, I'm willing to bet it would help a lot of people understand why the WarDancers react
as they do.
I think it would be nice if people didn't flame this topic and let Berrin or Solanthis or whoever Solanthis
deems as spokeperson for the following to respond to my questions. I ask these questions in the
public so that everyone can know where the WarDancers stand on the definition of neutrality.
This is a respectful note and I hope everyone takes it as that.
Hornblower
WHO ( provided by Abender)
Hum [ Sh: 4 ] Final the Boy
Aar [ Th: 4 Sh:19 ] Tranquility Handmaiden to Cordir, Vestal of Fate
Elf [ Wa:29 Cl:30 ] Vorax the Ogre, Chief Transporter Operator [Life]
Hum [ Wa:22 Cl:20 ] Alaric: Virtue to the last **Angelica**
Hum [ Cl:25 Ra:25 ] Plane Bounce:First Mate of the Crimson Scourge WarD
Hum [ Lesser Goddess ] [GS] Cordir An-Shalach, Lady of Fate, Weaver Incarna <Inv 69>
Gno [ Cl:28 Wa:28 ] Melisa Lady Death, Throne of the Arcane
Elf [ Ma:24 Wa:27 ] Bolger, Sorcerer of the Black Conclave
Hum [ Cl:28 ] Styx, Unholy Apostle of the Black Conclave
Hum [ Th:17 Wa:15 Ma:20 ] QBall: Dominion of the Arcanes
Hel [ Ra: 6 ] Promise.
Hum [ Ma:14 Wa:15 ] Elise,hotter than a set of twin babies...AWA
Elf [ Cl:29 Wa:30 ] Hornblower doesn't like Zedar's note. *Balance*
Hel [ Ma: 7 ] Bryan Hello, anyone home?
Elf [ Ra:25 Ma:25 Th:25 ] Ananasi Aleitros, She-Who-Dances-With-Monkeys [Fate]
Hel [ God ] Khore surrounds himself in the Void.
Hum [ Sh: 8 ] Elly Is Very Much In Love With Gandalf
Hel [ Ma: 8 Th:10 ] Siobhan tries to give everyone a HAND.
Hum [ Th: 3 ] Cleptomaniac the Boy
Min [ Wa:24 Ma:21 ] Russia, The White Queen of Life *Helper*
Ogr [ Assassin ] Stouthbound the Brute, Foul Minion of the Arch-Lich
Hum [ Wa: 3 ] Mathias the Dark Knight of Vanda
Hum [ Cl: 6 ] Nikala.
Hum [ Wa:30 Cl:30 ] Abender Stormreaver, Council of Wardancers *B*IPS*
Hum [ Sh: 6 ] Silence.
Hel [ Demigod ] Elladan, Guildmaster of the HAND
Hum [ Ra:30 ] Babs, Associate Ranger Professor <TIGER>
Hel [ Cl:17 Ra:11 ] Vlantris. <**Unity**>
Hum [ Ma: 6 ] Shendlas Tor
Hum [ Ra:10 Sh:16 ] Sethvir stalks the ethereal wind.
Hum [ Sh:21 ] Calh, -Nash, -Cows, -Tigers, -Dancers
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